Curse

Phoenix Tears · Jul 22, 2007, 12:18 PM // 12:18

please, fix this annoying bug in the end sequence finally, it can't be, that such fierce bugs exists in a game like GW, where stupid minions r able to kill u, while ur looking sequences and that enforces ur, to exit the game or to skip the sequence, when u want not to die, because a dumb necro with douzens of minions was in ur team and the minions go nuts, because their master died -.-

Why cant it be the easiest solution of all ?
let the dumb minons DIE in the Sequence, or let them all automatically die, before the sequence starts -.-
Can't be so hard, to fix this dumb bug, which makes so much trouble for everyone, who wants the survivor title.

And when ur at it, u can direct lower a bit the difficulty of this mission, its way to imbalanced !! much to much enemys and this annyoying condition, that Togo and mhenlo have ever to survive makes this mission not easier. those 2 die much too quick, there is only a quick spike needed of like 3-5 of those fallen ones, why they die with their annoying explosions, when they die and those 2 npcs r near death.
Give us players finally some sort of protection vs. those explosions, which r way too strong, like u gave us players in Prophecies with the mursaat.
Or a title like the lightbringer title for factions, which will lower for us the damage we receiv of those explosion by 5% per rank.

So more fallen u kill, so higher the rank of the title and so lesser damage u receive of those nasty explosions, which can nearly instantly kill 1, when too much of those monsters die at same time near u and u receiv then like 5 times up to 75-90 damage = 325-450 damage !!!! thats way to much and it happens very often, that more than 1 of those die at same time near u and multiple explosions will hit 1 chara/npc, especially in Vizunah place, which has much too much enemies for my taste for normal mode. Especially players, which havent bought direct the best armors have catched in this mission the ass card, because those dumb explosion rape them quicker to death, as they can write "shit"
Vizunah place is imo the most annoying mission of all i know, alone cause of this masses of enemies and those stupid explosions, once those monsters die which is simple too strong.

The difficulty of factions for NM is imo still too high ... cant be, that u need for this mission ever a MM necro and a life seed monk now, to stay alive vs those uber masses of respawning fallen ones, which can easily kill u even, when they self die -.-
So nerf the mission please, so that it becomes a normal doable mission in normal mode .. as if the boss fight vs the masses of shiros constructs isnt hard enough, theres no need to put in a million of fallen enemies in this mission every 50 meters, which keep and keep respawning on every holes.
in this mission uve ever the feeling, that when u kill 1 fallen, 3 new will respawn oO.

Why must the party get ever nuked, only cause mhenlo or togo died oO, why cant u just nmake it not possible, to revive NPC's with skills too oO as long at least 1 of them is stil alive ??? no, u must ever nuke direct all -.-.
It has a reason, why so much people hate the missions round of Kaineng City, because the difficulty is simple too high and the City is UGLY as Hell.

Antithesis · Jul 22, 2007, 12:30 PM // 12:30

Not much of that made sense, i'll put that down to English not being your native tongue so i'll do my best to respond to what i think you're saying...

Factions is pretty easy in NM. The only really challenging bits for me were Vizunah Square and the final battle with Shiro. Both have simple strategies that make them easy to complete.

Take 2 MM's for Vizunah Square, logout at the cut-scene if you're protecting a survivor...gg, you should get Masters. Or if you've got Nightfall, take two Searing Flame elementalists but it's a bit slower.
A Lightbringer-ish title for Factions really isn't needed, the game gets easier once you get past Vizunah Square.

Phoenix Tears · Jul 22, 2007, 12:53 PM // 12:53

Uhm, ya, english is not my main language

XD I try my best ... what parts exactly made for u no sense so i can maybe correct them ? or try to write with other words, what i meant with it ^^

Thats the point, what has to be fixed finally, players should not be forced to skip the sequence or to log off, while the sequence starts, only cause of crazy undeads slashing on ur defenseless charas, while ur looking the sequence.
Thats simple weird !! in sequences has NOTHING to fight anymore, only story related npcs have to fight each other, but no stupid crazy minions without their master anymore.

Ya its easier, when u have 1-2 MM Necros, but thats again the fact, which makes this mission to hard and forces partys ever to take certain classes with u or forces u to play with other players, because with henches is this mission absolutely impossible, they r simble to dumb to keep Mhenlo and Togo alive at the very strong imba places, where u have to fight like vs a huge army of fallen. And this changes nothing in Factions, that those explosion spikes r too strong, when to much of them die at same time near u and the damage stacks so quick up, that u mostly can instantly die of it, especially, when u#ve got not the money to buy u before the mission the best armors...
Much people r there even not lvl 20, much people at this mission r lvl 11-17 in average and since NF is out there, in factions is more or less dead trouser at this mission, it takes so much time, until u find groups there, that r able to make this mission with a good chance to survive this junk.
Those elementalists u must first find there ...
A lightbringer like title is imo the best solution vs those imba explosions of those fallen, that simple reduces the damage of those explosions, and not increases ur damage vs them.
And people would have a title in factions to work for, because the ranks raise only by killing fallens, like lightbrigner raises only by killing demons/elementals

CyberMesh0 · Jul 22, 2007, 01:09 PM // 13:09

The final sequence issue I can understand, and that does need addressing.

But having to take (at most) one minion master per party makes it too hard/imbalanced? Every single mission in all three games benefits greatly with at least one necro, be it a MM or an SS. I don't see how this makes it an issue.

And if they did implement a title of some sort, you know what people would say:
"OMG MAKE IT RETROACTIVE!!!1!!"
or
"OMG NOT ANOTHER GRIND TITLE!!!!!1"

Keneth · Jul 22, 2007, 01:39 PM // 13:39

I had no trouble doing the mission on my first try with henches, missed master's by a couple of minutes since I was a warrior but that didn't really matter. Missions like Vizunah Square, Eternal Grove, Gate of Madness etc. are annoying to do, yes, but doable nonetheless. And you can get both to lvl20 and the Survivor title before that mission, it's your problem if you haven't really. Not that I'm against this, if they can make it easier, that's just fine by me and fixing the ending sequence would be nice too. As for the title, no thanks, I've spent the last two weeks maxing out my Sunspear and Lightbringer titles, I like the infusion idea better.

Phoenix Tears · Jul 22, 2007, 03:31 PM // 15:31

Whats wrong with new titles ? ^^, in GW:EN will come new ones, and there will be sure some too, which will call people as "grind title"
its impossible to banish grinding, grinding will ever exist in some sort in games like GW, like players with more time for playing will ever have somewhere little advantages vs players with not so much time. That r things that can't be taken out for 100% out of a game like GW or any other MMO(RPG) and be it so slight, that u can really make a uber big discussion about it if itbis an advantage or not... and when its in the end only the feeled advantage.

However, if now by title, or by infusion like done as by the mursaat, for me regardless, but the game needs really a sort of protection vs those stupid heavy explosions, which r like a poisonless little stronger death nova.
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It makes the the mission imba, because the players get enforced to take MM Necros within the party, because without them u stand no single chance to survive long enough or u get xx% stupid death malus and be overall dead meat with every little mouse fart, that hits u.

Im still lvl 20 and have over 470k ep without a die reached yet, i know this mission good, because ive done it with a chara, where it was regardless for me, if i die. And what i see there on masses of enemies is simple imo too strong for NM, that could be all good amount of enemies for HM, but not for NM. I want this mission do, without having to fear every second, that those 2 npcs mhenlo and togo get in shortest time death spike nuked by a half douzen of explosions and i get not enforced to take 1 or 2 MM Necros with me, to have a chance to make this mission.
As if the mission isnt still strong enough, that its mostly only doable with players, henchs u can as said forget or im simple only unlucky with stupid henchs .... and before ur heroes r strong enough and have all skills needed, that takes lots of time, money and effort, that no one wants to have with a character, which gets atm in an instant useless, once u died. Buy signets for 1p everytime for a new elite skill and 5/10k exp is imo enough money to give out + the costs of receiving a full max armor including runes and insignia ... when u have to live every second in the fear, that ur chara might die and u lose then theoretically xxx Platin for nothing and all the time u spent in ur chara ...for nothing.

Imo it can't be, that the difficulty of this game is in the nearly beginning so high, that u leave this dumb city of kaineng only with frustration (or happyness, being finally out of this junk), before u've even reached only nearfully the end Factions ... Vizunah Places is Mission 3 !!!!, but is as hard, as if it would be the last mission of the game for my taste when u try to make it without any MM Necro, without searing flames eles, without life seed monks and without super support paragons which can lower for u the damage now by 30% like. Before u find the perfect team there of 1 MM Necro, 2 LS Monks, 2 SF Eles, and 1 SS ritu, 1 Support paragon and inclusive urself whatever class u r .. u can wait there for ages and dream further, before u find such a team, that is able to reduce the whole damage of the team to perma 0 for time periods that r neccessary to kill al the whole bunchs of fallen without being death nuked by explosions and having those 2 dumb npcs staying alive.

Maybe put this thread under complaining, but this mission needs really a bug fix and a nerf imo and when its only the protection vs the nasty explosions, which r the most annoying part of the whole mission, not so much the number of the mission, which is too much for NM.

Eldin · Jul 22, 2007, 03:49 PM // 15:49

I understand the MM bug must be fixed, but as for the mission in general:

Incredibly easy. Try going into an international district and entering the mission with all henchmen/heroes. With luck there will NOT be another team. When this is the case it is all NPCs which works out really well.

If you want hard, try Arborstone. I HATE THAT!!!

Antithesis · Jul 22, 2007, 11:54 PM // 23:54

The easy solution to most missions in NM is a standard hero setup of 2 SF, 1 MM. You can get away without an MM but it's better to take one, Vizunah Square and Eternal Grove are easier with two. Take 2 Mo, 1 Rt and an optional henchie and almost every mission in Factions is a cakewalk. In Nightfall, take a Motivation henchie instead of the Rt...same outcome.

I agree, the cut-scene bug should be fixed, but it's doubtful when Factions is 15 months old and almost everyone has moved on to Nightfall or waiting for GW:EN. Until then, either die occasionally at the cut-scene or skip it and live.

Keneth · Jul 23, 2007, 02:49 AM // 02:49

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

I agree, the cut-scene bug should be fixed, but it's doubtful when Factions is 15 months old and almost everyone has moved on to Nightfall.

I wasn't aware people "move on" to Nightfall, except for heroes, there's nothing really better about NF and at least as far as my characters go, I always finish each of the three campaigns. So I'd say Factions is no less important than NF or Proph and deserves at least so much attention to fix the bugs that still exist.

Oh and Phoenix, I did the mission with no MM and no nukers of my own, along with a full party of henches. In fact, the chances of you surviving without any other people are a lot higher than with a bunch of nub 12-year olds who think they're all that until they get overrun by the masses. And if you care that much about your survivor title, then don't do the mission. I mean if you make your character just to get the grind title, then why bother with taking chances when you don't have to? Grind it out in Wajjun Bazaar or something and then do the mission when you have nothing to worry about, if you expect to get to legendary by playing the campaign I must say that you're fooling yourself.

Phoenix Tears · Jul 23, 2007, 11:28 AM // 11:28

grinding ist just plain stupid, i play the game to get to see its story, not to grind me to boredom for 1 title that i want to have.
grinding is really the last thing i'd do, when i see, that its absolutly senseless even to try a mission, because of the fact, that its near 100% sure, that u'll die at least once, like maybe in NF on the Sebelkeh Mission, or on Vizunah vs the Constructs of Shiro or in the fights vs the huge masses of respawning fallens through the endless devastation of their stupid explosions, when they die, which can nearly instantly kill anything, that gets too much of them in same time, when more than 3-5 die in ur range at same time.

I tried the mission with heroes and henchs and did came only to the 2nd big brawl, then died Mhenlo and stupid togo through such a explosion spike instantly and my whole team got nuked because of that.
mission failed. (im only happy that this shit counts not as personal death)
This mission is more luck then skills, that those stupid 2 npcs dont get killed with henchs and heroes, because stupid KI heal mostly more only henchs , the player and themself, but not so much other allies, which r not in the party.
sometimes ive even the feeling, skills which should heal the whole party normally, heal not other allies which r outside of the party like this elite light skill, which heals all, which r under 80% HP.

fact is, i want finally out of this RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing ugly town, where u can make no signle step, without running into overpowered groups of jade knights ect..
Where stupid boss enemies of those like this lian in the near of the market r able, to nuke with their skills very quick my whole team down in seconds.
This City is a place, which id wished to have to reach at last .. i want finally be back to the place we all could test at the factions preview event, so the area around cavalon and the fort espenwood ect.
for my taste it takes much too long time, to come out of this ugly town and this stupid vizunah mission is a horrible barrier for everyone, who wants to get the survivor title and not getting enforced to get it by plain grinding.
for NM this mission is simple too hard and it has too much enemies.
I've now factions since it came out, but id come until today no single time through this mission alive. Until today ive still not seen again the rest of faction, that i know through the FPE... and thats really sad as someone, who wants only the survivro title and that a stupid mission like vizunah place can players hold so long off to see the rest of the game.
Vizu is Mission 3 !!, so it should be in Nm not so hard, as if it would be like mission 10 or 13.
It should also become a bit easier to get quicker out of the town.
Get quicker out of town, but stay at end longer in it... the town is the most annoying place of the whole game and everyone i 've met till today, that is out of is, is extreme happy about it.

I dunno if people r out of town after vizunah mission, never seen this, because i've deleted ever direct my charas, when they died in this mission, however, this mission is extreme frustrating for everyone, who is planning to get r3 in survivors title and should become easier in NM, but more important in first sight is, that the BUG at the end gets FIXED.
There r people, which WANT TO LOOK THE SEQUENCES, WITHOUT HAVING TO FEAR ABOUT LOSING THEIR TITLE ...

greetz

freekedoutfish · Jul 23, 2007, 02:10 PM // 14:10

If I understand correctly, this is related to Minions apearing in end mission animations?

Well yes its a tad annoying and yes i'm certain Anet could fix this quite easily, but I dont think it was worthy of a huge long complaint!

Its not really the end of the world just because some minions apear in an animation! But /signed at fixing it if they have the time.

I also noticed you said that normal mode is still too hard....

....sorry but NOOO it isnt!

Normal mode can now very easily be henched or heroed. If you are finding it hard still with AI help, then you are either not using them correctly, picking the wrong help or your heroes are badly set up.

I played normal mode for the first time in about 3 months at the weekend to cap elite skills and I was staggered at how easy it was with just AI.

Sorry but if you are finding Normal Mode really hard, then you some more experience behind you!

And people dont do missions because their hard. People avoid doing certain missions because their just not fun. There are NO really hard missions in all three campaigns in normal mode. Some are harder then others, but all are do-able.

If you find it hard to find teams, then join a guild who will help you.

And sorry but I have noooo idea what everything else was about!

Stoneys Rock · Jul 23, 2007, 02:31 PM // 14:31

it isn't the minions that kill you it's shiro tagachi, the only thing masterless minions do is to hit anything but no one dies from it, it does end up spoiling the cutscene alittle but its still pretty funny when it happens. Also what about the intermission cutscenes you can get, if you make the minions die or something at a cutscene your going to be screwing over MMs especially if theres a place when corpses are scarce.

Basically I think skipping one cutscene for survivor isn't really that bad but then I must have seen it countless times lol

Phoenix Tears · Jul 23, 2007, 08:59 PM // 20:59

The only team i can think of, with that i think i can come alive through this mission is following :

Me > W/R Burning Arrow/Ritu Spike Combi
Protect Monk with Shield of regeneration, protect spirit and life seed
Healing Monk with Life seed, Heal others, and the elite heal skill, that heals at, which have under 80% hp, both monks will have some protective/healing ghosts too
MM Necro with flesh golem, vampire thing at least, and doing maybe nasty mesmer skills like empathy and backfire when possible or simple pure MM
2 SF Eles with fire storm, meteor shower that can echo nuke
1 Dwayna or Melandru avatar Dervishs as tanker and as clean up for enemys which try to hunt any of the monks/eles
1 support paragon which helps with its sun spear skills to decrease massivly all damage .... and helps with its should for healing giving all life regenerations and so on

but find such a dream team at vizunah place first T.T

only with life seed and the sun spear skill of the paragon u can have a fearless slaughter through such massivly enemy amounts ... god i hate it that heroes cant use those sun spear skils XD.

MagmaRed · Jul 23, 2007, 09:20 PM // 21:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

The only team i can think of, with that i think i can come alive through this mission is following :

Me > W/R Burning Arrow/Ritu Spike Combi
Protect Monk with Shield of regeneration, protect spirit and life seed
Healing Monk with Life seed, Heal others, and the elite heal skill, that heals at, which have under 80% hp, both monks will have some protective/healing ghosts too
MM Necro with flesh golem, vampire thing at least, and doing maybe nasty mesmer skills like empathy and backfire when possible or simple pure MM
2 SF Eles with fire storm, meteor shower that can echo nuke
1 Dwayna or Melandru avatar Dervishs as tanker and as clean up for enemys which try to hunt any of the monks/eles
1 support paragon which helps with its sun spear skills to decrease massivly all damage .... and helps with its should for healing giving all life regenerations and so on

but find such a dream team at vizunah place first T.T

only with life seed and the sun spear skill of the paragon u can have a fearless slaughter through such massivly enemy amounts ... god i hate it that heroes cant use those sun spear skils XD.

Now I see why you are having trouble. Warrior should not be using a bow. My Dervish and Paragon did this mission with Masters and neither died. In fact, I took 3 heroes and 4 henchies with both of them. Only 3 hench total died, no heroes died. I used an MM, Protect Monk, and Savannah Heat Ele for my heroes. The Local Quarter was full hench both times. My Paragon is a Legendary Survivor, and was not even to rank 1 of the title when I did Vizunah Square.

Your ideas on a perfect team are not bad, but not what I consider 'best' either. I think you need to learn more about good builds than the mission needs to be changed. I won't argue the change in the cutscene issue, but you don't have to watch it EVERY time you do the mission.

MagmaRed · Jul 23, 2007, 09:23 PM // 21:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

The only team i can think of, with that i think i can come alive through this mission is following :

Me > W/R Burning Arrow/Ritu Spike Combi
Protect Monk with Shield of regeneration, protect spirit and life seed
Healing Monk with Life seed, Heal others, and the elite heal skill, that heals at, which have under 80% hp, both monks will have some protective/healing ghosts too
MM Necro with flesh golem, vampire thing at least, and doing maybe nasty mesmer skills like empathy and backfire when possible or simple pure MM
2 SF Eles with fire storm, meteor shower that can echo nuke
1 Dwayna or Melandru avatar Dervishs as tanker and as clean up for enemys which try to hunt any of the monks/eles
1 support paragon which helps with its sun spear skills to decrease massivly all damage .... and helps with its should for healing giving all life regenerations and so on

but find such a dream team at vizunah place first T.T

only with life seed and the sun spear skill of the paragon u can have a fearless slaughter through such massivly enemy amounts ... god i hate it that heroes cant use those sun spear skils XD.

Now I see why you are having trouble. Warrior should not be using a bow. My Dervish and Paragon did this mission with Masters and neither died. In fact, I took 3 heroes and 4 henchies with both of them. Only 3 hench total died, no heroes died. I used an MM, Protect Monk, and Savannah Heat Ele for my heroes. The Local Quarter was full hench both times. My Paragon is a Legendary Survivor, and was not even to rank 1 of the title when I did Vizunah Square.

Your ideas on a perfect team are not bad, but not what I consider 'best' either. I think you need to learn more about good builds than the mission needs to be changed. I won't argue the change in the cutscene issue, but you don't have to watch it EVERY time you do the mission.

Snow Bunny · Jul 23, 2007, 09:32 PM // 21:32

The mission isn't difficult in the slightest. Pm me tonight, I'll do it for you.

I consider most factions missions rather fun, with the exception of the final mission.
All the others can be H/H'd no problem.

And Arborstone and Eternal Grove are both very fun missions...eternal grove is the way Alliance Battles should be

Phoenix Tears · Jul 23, 2007, 10:22 PM // 22:22

oh, the W/R was my fault Xd , i wrote it with german short cuts, i meant with the W the ranger, which is called in german "Waldläufer".
im not playing as warrior/ritualist, im playing as ranger/ritualist

hmm, not today anymore, tommorrow ^^ now its too late for me to play , ive it 00:17 for me here in germany ^^ XD in the moment i write this here

at what time will u be on tomorrow ?